Our Darkest Days are Here - (are they ever).

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The following is a weekly 60 Minutes commentary by CBS News Correspondent Andy Rooney. CBS News.com - Good read about the mess the US is in today. wil.

If you were going to make a list of the great times in American history, you'd start with the day in 1492, when Columbus got here.

The Revolution when we won our independence would be on the list.

Beating Hitler.

Putting Americans on the moon.

We've had a lot of great days.

Our darkest days up until now have been things like presidential assassinations, the stock market crash in 1929, Pearl Harbor, and 9-11, of course.

The day the world learned that American soldiers had tortured Iraqi prisoners belongs high on the list of worst things that ever happened to our country. It's a black mark that will be in the history books in a hundred languages for as long as there are history books. I hate to think of it.

The image of one bad young woman with a naked man on a leash did more to damage America's reputation than all the good things we've done over the years ever helped our reputation.

What were the secrets they were trying to get from captured Iraqis? What important information did that poor devil on the leash have that he wouldn't have given to anyone in exchange for a crust of bread or a sip of water?

Where were your officers? If someone told you to do it, tell us who told you. If your officers were told – we should know who told them.

One general said our guards were "untrained." Well, untrained at what? Being human beings? Did the man who chopped off Nicholas Berg's head do it because he was untrained?

The guards who tortured prisoners are faced with a year in prison. Well, great. A year for destroying our reputation as decent people.

I don't want them in prison, anyway. We shouldn't have to feed them. Take away their right to call themselves American - that's what I’d do. You aren't one of us. Get out. We don't want you. Find yourself another country or a desert island somewhere. If the order came from someone higher up, take him with you.

In the history of the world, several great civilizations that seemed immortal have deteriorated and died. I don't want to seem dramatic tonight, but I've lived a long while, and for the first time in my life, I have this faint, faraway fear that it could happen to us here in America as it happened to the Greek and Roman civilizations.

Too many Americans don't understand what we have here, or how to keep it. I worry for my grandchildren, my great-grandchildren. I want them to have what I've had, and I sense it slipping away.

Have a nice day.
 

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Wil,

Andy is my favorite curmudgeon and on my favorite Liberal network, CBS. If it wasn't for his generation, America would not have survived. He knows that Junior and his gang of neocon, draft-dodging, evangelical chickenhawks are out of control and way in over their heads. Where will it all end? My father was a WWII vet and a Great Depression survivor. Life is a bowl of cherries compared to what other generations have endured. I have to give a lot of credit to old Andy and his generation because they speak out against the evil things in todays world, not for themselves but for their children and grandchildren. In their and my worlds phonies like Junior get very short shrift when it comes to earning respect.

Semper Fi,

Lt. Dan

[This message was edited by Lt. Dan on May 25, 2004 at 10:39 PM.]
 

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Dan - my father was wounded during the batle of the bulge - lucky for me it was a milliom dollar wound (scrapnel in the elbow) or I might never have been born.


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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Too many Americans don't understand what we have here, or how to keep it. I worry for my grandchildren, my great-grandchildren. I want them to have what I've had, and I sense it slipping away. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the root of the problem right here -- a simpleton strategy for raising children...

"I want them to have what I had", OK Dad, we've got that 100 times over, NOW WHAT!!!??? Get it 101 times over then 102 times over!!??? I don't think so. Your plan needs to consist of a next step, you know, something for the LONG TERM!?

This lack of a long term plan is the root of drugs, alcoholism, gambling problems and even Al Qaeda attacks if you take it a few steps further. The kids are just too secure and are looking for their next goal to work on. As their parents you are not giving it to them so they engage in unpleasant behavior to attract attention to themselves in the hope that someone somewhere will give them direction.

I'm not really sure what that long-term plan should be, but I do know that ever-increasing hedonism and gluttony is not it. It is probably different for each family and takes into account ancestry, roots, identity and that sort of thing. In any case, recognizing that there important long-term goals to set (I'm talking 200 years or more) is the key step in the solution to our current problems IMO.
 

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Too many Americans don't understand what we have here, or how to keep it. I worry for my grandchildren, my great-grandchildren. I want them to have what I've had, and I sense it slipping away.

Hi guys. Good posts. If I were spaeking the above words it would be in reference to wanting my children to live in an era without wars and the devastation the bring. Or not to live in fear. I often wonder what the mindset was of people during the great deppression or during major wars. Is the way Andy Rooney feels the same way others have felt or are we truly at a pivotal defining moment for America? Growing up, when I heard that "Our American Empire" would crumble like the Romans,Greeks,Egyptians, Sumerians etc. before us I found it unfathomable. Now I tend to think that it is actually easier for this to happen.
 

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